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 Post subject: Re: Cat's Out of the Bag: FSM Pressed More Than Ltd Quota
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So call the cops and have Lukas arrested. Be the prosecution's number one witness at his trial. Write a book entitled, "How **I** and NOBODY Else Brought Down the Evil Soundtrack Labels." If you could somehow take down Bruce Kimmel as well that'd be ideal, wouldn't it? Maybe that will make you happy. None of the rest of the soundtrack thing seems to.

I was completely surprised to find that you're a family man. You seem such an angry person on the board - hopefully the kids get the better side of you.

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We teach our kids to do the right thing, not to lie, and we are really proud of
them. When I get taken advantage of or when I get ganged up on, I will defend myself.
With Lukas coming clean over on the FSM, people are forgiving him like nothing has
happened since he is a GOD for bring so many score to us? The over pressing has been
going on for years!!! Does no one feel they were taken advantaged of? If no one
else does, I am wrong then. Do I accept his apology, probably not! He did it once or
twice and saw that he could get away with it and continued to do it. He crys that
someone has posted links to download the Ron Jones Star Trek set and asks for people
to jump on board and take the bad guys down? I for one will not defend him anymore,
because he is just as bad in a different way, as someone on the FSM board said,
"false advertising." If he was getting into financial difficulty, slow down on the releases
and promote and sell what you have, then go onto the next project. To forgive and forget
will not work here!

I am not it this to take down labels, I fear they are doing it to themselves. I just want the
truth in knowing that something I buy is what it is and not falsely advertised. I do not
buy the releases because they are limited, I buy them for the music. When I am lied
to or feel I am taken advantage of, I do hold a grudge and a few labels are on my list!


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See, it's the endless one-note whining that gets on people's nerves. Well, mine if nobody else's. If you feel that passionately about the horrible crimes he has committed and you're not just blowing hot air, DO something. Take action and get him shut down. You'll feel better and probably come off as less of a screeching loony. Otherwise you're gonna keep posting the same thing over and over again for years, or until Lukas gets lynched in the town square so that the morally righteous can feel better about themselves.

I think equating Lukas Kendall with Dick Cheney (they both lied, right?) is kinda silly, but if that's how you see the world, get ready for a lot of disappointment.

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Roger, I don't think you should use BTTF as an example of why a "not stating the number of copies its limited to" strategy would work. That was the first time you did it, and it was a huge, high-profile release. I think if that became the new "norm" for all your "big" releases (ie, the BTTF, Robocop, SpaceCamp and Predators of the world), people would quickly adapt, embrace it, and the questions would stop rolling in about "how many copies?" after a brief period of adjustment passes.

I think this strategy is the best of both worlds, IMHO.


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My main concern is that Lukas has squared everything away with the AFM and everyone else involved, and it appears so.

The thread at FSM has gotten out of hand somewhat from it's original intentions. I would suggest that Lukas adapt some of the release strategies that Intrada, Varese and LaLaLand have taken and that is to limit quite a few of the lesser titles to 2000 and lower. I just think it's not wise to give everything a 3000 release. I think out of the 220 FSM release, counting box sets, only 20 of them are under 2500. Plus he released quite a few LP transfers that are unlimited, plus the 2 Horner Trek scores.


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Roger can likely correct this, but it isn't simply a matter of wanting to make something at 10,000 copies just because it will very likely be a hot seller (like, say, "Predator"), but it's more likely:

The studio says: "Only 3,000 copies. Sorry [if they says "sorry" at all]."

And the re-use fees via the AFM would make the cost of getting that music, higher for that many copies. I imagine the AFM, now empowered by the idea labels are selling more than they thought they were, will get a little more ballsy, and try to get musicians more money ,and may not want to play ball so well anymore on negotiating and makign special fees.

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I can honestly say: none of this phases me one bit.
Personally, for me, there has just been a mystery solved: Why, why, oh why hasn't such a high profile Goldsmith score as Logan's Run sold out yet (still), whereas a comparatively lesser work of his such as Baby - Secret of a lost Legend sold out within hours. I found that baffling, now I know. I even posted a thread about that one here a few years ago.(viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1921&hilit=logan%27s+run)

And now... Curiosity has been satisfied.

As far as business decisions: I find no fault in what Lucas Kendall has done, as Swashbuckler has already stated: to me, this was "victimless". On the other hand, I find no fault in what Intrada did when they decided not to press more copies of Inchon, even though I missed out on that title and they considered pressing more for a while. I'm just glad labels like Intrada and FSM exist and continue to produce high quality output. That is my honest opinion. I will continue to buy Intrada and FSM titles exactly the same way I have before. None of these revelations will change my buying habits one bit. But it made my day finally knowing why Logan's Run hasn't yet sold out: there are simply thousands more copies of it than the 3000 I presumed existed. Makes sense to me now. :-)


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Whatever the hell this is all about, can't say I'm surprised or that I care.



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