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 Post subject: Re: INTRADA Announces MACKENNA'S GOLD/IN COLD BLOO
PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:10 am 
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Chris Rimmer wrote:
Can anyone explain why the English version of the song on the new Mackenna's Gold cd is different from the version that was on the LP that I bought in the UK when the film came out.

This isn't a complaint, just a query...


Possibly different versions of the song appeared on the US and UK albums? I can think of at least one other example where that happened (one of the songs on the MUPPET MOVIE album) and I'm sure there are more.


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John Takis wrote:
Chris Rimmer wrote:
Can anyone explain why the English version of the song on the new Mackenna's Gold cd is different from the version that was on the LP that I bought in the UK when the film came out.

This isn't a complaint, just a query...


Possibly different versions of the song appeared on the US and UK albums? I can think of at least one other example where that happened (one of the songs on the MUPPET MOVIE album) and I'm sure there are more.

I was thinking the same. Though the song's vocals were never a favorite of mine in any iteration (well, at least compared to the spectacular score that accompanies it), I actually prefer this version as it offers better variety for the album as a whole.

Is what's on this album the only take available on the 8-track tapes?


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The version I am more familiar with on my LP is the longer version of Ol' Turkey Buzzard, a less pop-flavored and more dramatic version that ran 2:46.

It appears in the track listing in Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mackenna%27s_Gold

All of the other track timings match Intrada's. Many of the LPs that listed timings (not all did) stated (1:55) as the timing on the back cover. I still prefer the longer version.


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I also prefer the longer version, the version they've put on the cd just doesn't sound right. I hoped someone would come forwards and say why this version was chosen, maybe it was the only one on the tapes, or possibly it was a choice the producer made. It's a shame the original version isn't on the cd, it spoils (for me) what would otherwise have been a perfect presentation of one of the best late 60's western scores.


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George Komar wrote:
The version I am more familiar with on my LP is the longer version of Ol' Turkey Buzzard, a less pop-flavored and more dramatic version that ran 2:46.

It appears in the track listing in Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mackenna%27s_Gold

All of the other track timings match Intrada's. Many of the LPs that listed timings (not all did) stated (1:55) as the timing on the back cover. I still prefer the longer version.

Is your LP a US copy?

Anyway, the version presented on Intrada's album was posted numerous times on YouTube from people's LPs. People have their preferences, but it might be safe to say that neither one is more "correct" than the other.


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I had no idea that the American LP soundtrack had a different version of the song.

However after listening to this version for 50 years or so;

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=ol ... &FORM=VIRE

I'm finding it hard to adapt, but I'll get there in a while.

It's an age thing. :)


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 Post subject: Re: INTRADA Announces MACKENNA'S GOLD/IN COLD BLOO
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:32 am 
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My copy was pressed in Canada. The longer one that Chris and I prefer is the one that was actually used in the film (at 2:46):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyM_H-_EKW4


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Chris Rimmer wrote:
Can anyone explain why the English version of the song on the new Mackenna's Gold cd is different from the version that was on the LP that I bought in the UK when the film came out.

This isn't a complaint, just a query, when I played the cd yesterday, the difference was striking.

On the original album the English version had the same backing as the Spanish version, on the new cd it has a more orchestral backing and the words are slightly different.

First time I heard it. it completely threw me as it wasn't what I was expecting.

It's a fabulous release, very pleased with the sound quality and presentation, just puzzled about the song.


Evidently the UK album changed the English version for some reason. Whether it was a rights issue with the arrangement Jones prepared for the US album or some other oddity, it's the US album version we secured the rights to and located the masters for. Our release IS the original US album. I guess you can look at it as a "bonus" from what you have been used to in the UK. :)
--Doug


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Chris Rimmer wrote:
I also prefer the longer version, the version they've put on the cd just doesn't sound right. I hoped someone would come forwards and say why this version was chosen, maybe it was the only one on the tapes, or possibly it was a choice the producer made. It's a shame the original version isn't on the cd, it spoils (for me) what would otherwise have been a perfect presentation of one of the best late 60's western scores.


Sorry, but you are a wee bit off base. The version on our release IS the exact version that was used on the US release of the score and there is nothing that "doesn't sound right" about it. Our CD comes from the actual masters used by RCA and is the version those of us in this country grew up with. In this instance, there really isn't anything we could have done differently as our license - and my own interest in particular - zeroed in on the US album. I suppose the UK version wouldn't have worked out for me because I know and love the album as it was released here. --Doug


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 Post subject: Re: INTRADA Announces MACKENNA'S GOLD/IN COLD BLOO
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Thanks for taking the time out of your busy schedule to explain things clearly. After listening to the UK version for 50 years or so, I know you'll understand why the US version sounded strange to me.

It's a great release of one of my favourite late 60's western scores, and I'm sure that after a few more spins, I'll become used to the US version.

It is growing on me. :)


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Chris Rimmer wrote:
Thanks for taking the time out of your busy schedule to explain things clearly. After listening to the UK version for 50 years or so, I know you'll understand why the US version sounded strange to me.

It's a great release of one of my favourite late 60's western scores, and I'm sure that after a few more spins, I'll become used to the US version.

It is growing on me. :)

You don't have to like it even though you do have to deal with it. Many film music fans seem to vastly prefer the dramatic over the pop-oriented under practically any circumstance. I guess this hobby is serious business.


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