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 Post subject: Re: INTRADA Announces Alan Parker's JAWS 3-D
PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 1:21 pm 
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T. Newman Fan wrote:
A definitive "1 of 4" from those better quality elements doesn't sound too crazy these days, either. This is the year to pounce.

Indeed. I hope both sets of tapes (score and album masters) are in tip-top shape. :D


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 Post subject: Re: INTRADA Announces Alan Parker's JAWS 3-D
PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 1:57 pm 
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Doug already confirmed the film cue masters are in pristine condition on this very messageboard:

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What happened on that anniversary release is this: the actual, original three-channel recording session masters, long dormant, were finally pulled and the decision to remix them into 5.1 sound to accompany the audio restoration of the film happened. Those new mixes became the new music masters that were vaulted after the film restoration. This new 5.1 mix for the film was an okay idea, of course, but did not fold back down to two-track stereo very well. On top of that, the nominal hiss present in 1975 35mm three-channel stereo session recordings (most Universal scoring sessions were then recorded this way) was deemed too intrusive for the film restoration and greatly suppressed, necessitating new EQ settings which oddly reduced rather than enhanced the listening experience. Everyone we have ever spoken with about this seems disappointed in the sound of that first-ever release of the actual soundtrack. And this is, of course, as famous a soundtrack as there ever was! But, in some of the coolest news soundtrack fans will probably ever hear, those precious original three-channel stereo sessions do survive, every priceless roll, fully intact and un-tampered with.


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 Post subject: Re: INTRADA Announces Alan Parker's JAWS 3-D
PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 2:53 pm 
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Yes, I think that's what Newman is referring to.


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 Post subject: Re: INTRADA Announces Alan Parker's JAWS 3-D
PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 12:49 am 
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Silodweller wrote:
Hello all,
I don't mean to sound unappreciative or even like an old sour grape but I was just wondering if anyone else is experiencing the "pending fulfillment" status a little longer than usual with this 2CD edition of "Jaws 3-D"? I am assuming that this particular release is very popular and therefore a lot of orders need to be finalized but I still felt I needed to ask because I've always received really quick responses from the team at Intrada when ordering items, it just seems a little unusual. Sorry Roger, I am a patient person albeit a little concerned, is all.

UPDATE: Ah, just received confirmation that my order has been fulfilled. Hope I didn't upset anyone, I'm just excited about receiving this particular soundtrack!


I hope JAWS 3-D is selling like snow cones and ice cream in July at a packed beach. :D

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 Post subject: Re: INTRADA Announces Alan Parker's JAWS 3-D
PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 3:03 pm 
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Just a suggestion, if Intrada do release the Williams scores for the first two...

How about including with the last to come out an optional box to store the collection? Maybe with an additional booklet with a track-by-track analysis of all 4 scores...

In any case I'll be more than happy if Intrada can release the remaining two in complete form and good sound quality.


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 Post subject: Re: INTRADA Announces Alan Parker's JAWS 3-D
PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 3:18 pm 
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I was just thinking about a box earlier today, and the extra booklet sounds fun. It's a great idea. Doug and Roger, if the whole series does come from Intrada, would you consider it please?


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 Post subject: Re: INTRADA Announces Alan Parker's JAWS 3-D
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I'm listening to Jaws 3-D now, and it really does sound spectacular -- which is something of a minor miracle considering that the tapes were apparently on their last legs. I'm hoping that Intrada will not only do complete CD releases of Jaws and Jaws 2, but that they might be able to get their hands on other Universal scores to release/preserve before the masters deteriorate beyond all hope.

Anyway, if you haven't bought this one, please do. It's worth it. Everything is on there.

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krankyboy wrote:
I'm listening to Jaws 3-D now, and it really does sound spectacular -- which is something of a minor miracle considering that the tapes were apparently on their last legs. I'm hoping that Intrada will not only do complete CD releases of Jaws and Jaws 2, but that they might be able to get their hands on other Universal scores to release/preserve before the masters deteriorate beyond all hope.

Anyway, if you haven't bought this one, please do. It's worth it. Everything is on there.

Yes, sound quality is generally excellent by any standard. If I recall correctly, some of the studio session tapes for Back to the Future were in bad shape as well.

But, you then have numerous older Universal scores released by Intrada, such as The Car, High Plains Drifter, Duel, Hellfighters, Joe Kidd and The War Wagon, where everything was said to be tip-top, just as they sound. The Universal and Warner Bros.-owned MGM libraries contain the bulk of my favorite 60s and 70s scores, and thankfully they usually sound the best of all studio offerings in my opinion.


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 Post subject: Re: INTRADA Announces Alan Parker's JAWS 3-D
PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2015 11:12 pm 
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T. Newman Fan wrote:
But, you then have numerous older Universal scores released by Intrada, such as The Car, High Plains Drifter, Duel, Hellfighters, Joe Kidd and The War Wagon, where everything was said to be tip-top, just as they sound. The Universal and Warner Bros.-owned MGM libraries contain the bulk of my favorite 60s and 70s scores, and thankfully they usually sound the best of all studio offerings in my opinion.


I'm still in absolute awe of just how good The Car and Duel sounded. It was almost like they were recorded yesterday.

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 Post subject: Re: INTRADA Announces Alan Parker's JAWS 3-D
PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 10:02 am 
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krankyboy wrote:
I'm listening to Jaws 3-D now, and it really does sound spectacular -- which is something of a minor miracle considering that the tapes were apparently on their last legs.


They are taking care of the tapes now then - yes? This distresses me. They must preserve this score! I think the quality of Jaws 3 is superb but I CAN hear some slight irregularity that is barely audible.

Doug, Roger, or somebody please tell me they are doing their best to preserve these tapes now.


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 Post subject: Re: INTRADA Announces Alan Parker's JAWS 3-D
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TruPretender wrote:
They are taking care of the tapes now then - yes? This distresses me. They must preserve this score! I think the quality of Jaws 3 is superb but I CAN hear some slight irregularity that is barely audible.

Doug, Roger, or somebody please tell me they are doing their best to preserve these tapes now.

Jaws 3-D and other definitively released scores are well-preserved now in the best possible way, in digital form. I would think that one of the main benefits for the studios licensing out these expanded scores is that labels such as Intrada have everything transferred to high-resolution digital.

For the stuff that has yet to be definitively released, so many releases are happening these days that I imagine there won't be much more tape damage on any given recording than what has already occurred.


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 Post subject: Re: INTRADA Announces Alan Parker's JAWS 3-D
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In discussing transfer difficulties for this new release, the liner notes speak somewhat disappointingly of the tape brand used for the 1983 sessions. As Back to the Future had issues as well (whose tapes are two years younger), while material from the 70s seems fine, one might surmise Universal transitioned to this lower quality stock sometime in the early 80s. If true, that would suggest that the 80s portion of their catalog may need more timely attention than older material.


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 Post subject: Re: INTRADA Announces Alan Parker's JAWS 3-D
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Traveling Matt wrote:
In discussing transfer difficulties for this new release, the liner notes speak somewhat disappointingly of the tape brand used for the 1983 sessions. As Back to the Future had issues as well (whose tapes are two years younger), while material from the 70s seems fine, one might surmise Universal transitioned to this lower quality stock sometime in the early 80s. If true, that would suggest that the 80s portion of their catalog may need more timely attention than older material.

It's possibly a case-by-case basis. I don't know what exact multi-track tapes were used for Amazing Stories, but most of those scores sound pristine to me. Same for Conan the Barbarian.


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 Post subject: Re: INTRADA Announces Alan Parker's JAWS 3-D
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Knockout release, loving it - you guys were right to point up, in your PR, the restaurant harp flute source cue - simply gorgeous!

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With Jaws 2 aproaching I'm listening Jaws 3 a lot and it is fantastic. After two of Williams best scores for the previous Jaws films Alan Parker did a wonderful job in this one, with all new material and using the shark theme where appropriate.

Intrada's release is fantastic. I have only a minor complain on it which is the cross fades in Shark Attacks Skiers, the short track that is used for the fin rising behind the skiers is cross faded with the music for the earlier scene of the shark appearing in the underwater restaurant and the finale of the track appear to be two alternates of a portion of Shark Attacks Kelly. I'd prefer a clean ending of Shark Attacks Skiers.

The sound quality is great given the mentioned conditions of the tapes. Some degradation is apparent is some tracks (Kay Rides The Wale, Tunnels and Tentacles) specially in some sustained notes (and that's the reason why I'd recommend to keep the original album on which the End Titles and Sea World Opening Day sounds better). But most of the tracks sound very good with no hiss and great dinamics.

On the sequencing here is the film order of the tracks for those who might want it (including the unused tracks):

1) JAWS 3-D - Main Title (Film Version)
2) First Underwater (only the first 7 seconds are used - the last 13 seconds are used later in the film as a stinger for Overman's death
3) Shark Thru Gate (also used in the previous scene when the shark approaches the skiers and later when Kay sees Overman's body)
4) Kay Rides the Whale (fades out in the film after the first 50 seconds)
5) Sean Arrives (Source) - also used latter, when tourists visits the underwater tunnels)
6) Overman's Last Dive (this track is not used in the film [replaced by the final part of Undersea Kingdom and the stinger that ends teack 2] - this original version it matches an early cut of the scene "workprint cut" available at Youtube)
7) Rock Bar (Source)*
8) Exterior Bar (Source)*
9) Love Scene (Revised)
10) Boys in the Raft (only the first 7 seconds are used)
11) Apartment (Source)*
12) Kay Meets Phillip (Revised)
13) Sub Search (Revised) - [you can mix "Cd2 - Sting 4" at 3'20" for the moray eel scare]
14) Dolphin Chase (Telex Version)*
15) Lunch Restaurant (Source)*
16) Philips Gear (unused)
17) Night Capture (Revised)
18) Shark Drop (unused)
19) It's Alive-Sea World Opening Day-Silver Bullet (It's Alive is the film version but Opening Day and Silver Bullet are different to the film versions)
20) Country Music Show (source) - This track occurs between the film version of Opening Day and Silver Bullet - both included in CD2 track "Park Opening" - from CD2
21) Park Opening (Revised)*
22) Tunnels and Tentacles (source - mostly unused)
23) Baby Shark Dies
24) Almost but no Bite (only partially used)
25) Restaurant Source (Flute & Harp)
26) Shark Breaks Loose+Shark Loose (the film mixes portions of these two tracks for the scenes on which the big shark swims towards the restaurant)
27) Shark Attacks Skiers (this track cross fades - out of order - the track for attack on the skiers with the track for the shark apearing in the restaurant [which was "clean" in the album version of "Panic at the Sea World"] and ends with unused material)
28) Hawaiian Drums (Source)* - this track occurs after the shark appearing in the restaurant
29) Guitar Show (Source)* - this track occurs before the attack on the skiers
30) Shark Attacks Kelly
31) Shark Rams Tunnel (Revised)
32) Live Bait
33) Ready to Dive (unused)
34) Phillip's Demise (Revised) - in the movie the ending of this track is replaced with a portion of Shark Attacks Skiers.
35) Pull the Pin (Revised)
36) Shark Theme (Utility No. 2)* - this is the track used for the shark breaking loose from the filtration pipe were it was trapped
37) Shark Wants Out
38) Shark Chases Mike and Kay
39) We're Saved
40) Shark Breaks Thru Window (Telex Version)* - this is the film version
41) The Shark Gonna Hit Us
42) Shark Guts (unused)
43) Jaws 3-D End Title

How I prefer to program (without the source music in the score program) / tracks with * are from CD2:
1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 12, 8*, 14, 16, 11*, 17, 29, 21, 22, 23, 24, 26, 28, 30, 19*, 31, 32, 33, 16*, 35, 37.

An alternate program I like replaces:

- Track 1 from CD1 with track 1 from CD 2 (the film versions includes some inserts edited in the track, I think the version without the inserts plays better);
- Track 12 from CD 1 with track 10 from CD1 (depending on your preference - I prefer the film version)
- Track 14 from CD1 with track 10 from CD2 (I prefer the track from CD2, it is extended from the film version and IMO plays better)
- Track 28 from CD1 with track 13 from CD2 (I got used with the extended version from CD2 that was in the album)
- Track 32 from CD1 with track 15 from CD2 (again I got used with the album version at CD2)


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