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For me, at the present time it's Casper by James Horner (and yes, I cringed as I typed that!). A mediocre, childish movie, but the score is strangely very charming and infectious, despite being (typically for Horner) really repetitive. Would it be fair to say that movies, and film scores in particular, really strengthen the notion of stereotypes and our NOTIONS of what should be there, and that therefore originality is discouraged rather than embraced? A bit off-topic, but the reason I pose such question is: how many "ghost" scores must contain ethereal, wordless choir, and swirling strings to conjure up "ghostly" images? And is this stereotypical notioning the reason why many people don't like Alex North's Dragonslayer score-- because it's ORIGINAL, and not the typical sword and sorcery bombast, with quickly indentifiable "hero theme" and "love theme", repeated ad nauseum?

Anyway.... what are your guilty pleasure choices?

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One that pops to mind is WHEN WOMEN HAD TAILS, that odd 1972 Italian caveman comedy. Bouncy, silly, but extremely listenable score by Ennio Morricone.

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Ahh yes Steven, the Italians did caveman comedy like no one elses business!

And that brings to mind many other Italian scores, namely some of the westerns, which I love dearly but cannot listen to without headphones due to all the rolling eyes in the house if I played them out loud. Scores like The Genius have some truly ridiculous cues, but I love the audacity and originality that Morricone so often brought to the show. The Magnificent Seven it ain't, but it brings a smile to my lips every time!

Oh, and here's another great guilty pleasure of mine: Kull the Conqueror by Joel Goldsmith.... again, the audacity of the drums and electric guitars, coupled with the full orchestra, gets my vote. That score rocks!!

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McFly: I think it's silly to say that there is no originality in movies or in scores.... the fact that there is LITTLE OF IT is testament to the notion that most people only want the same thing they saw or heard yesterday-- just recycled pablum that is easy to digest and not too challenging. And we sometimes loose sight of the fact that film composers are employees-- they do what they are told for the most part. So if a producer wants a standard, established musical language score, that's what the composer is going to produce. And if what they produce is not standard enough, then that score is rejected (ex: Goldsmith's Legend) or partially rejected (ex: Brian Tyler's Constantine)and another composer brought in.

There ARE cases though where the composer is left alone to make the contribution he sees fit.... such a case is Dragonslayer (regardless of how it was toned down in the finished film), and I think the experimental nature of that score stands it way above most of the sword and sorcery drivel that was "the norm" at that time, and grounds the film to a reality that most of those other films don't achieve. Someone stated that the 80's sword and sorcery period PEAKED with Willow, which I say is a joke-- the 80's sword and sorcery period DIED with Willow!

Another example of scores being done quite differently from the norm is the Leone/Morricone westerns.... certainly you'll agree that Morricone did not resort to standard American western scoring practices in the creation of those landmark scores. Are they thought of less because he innovated instead of retreading Max Steiner or Elmer Bernstein? I think not. Quite the opposite actually.

John Carpenter's scores were innovative, and are still thought of as such.

My point is that, while I agree that music is a language that is sort of understood by the masses, I also see room for experimentation and innovation. An "original" score can add another dimension to a film.... why retread what is already there on the screen? In animation this is called mickey-mousing: reacting to every movement or action of the characters. Steiner's and Korngold's scores for films of the 30's were among the first to apply that idea to live action movies, and so they too were innovators. But there was also Waxman's Bride of Frankenstein in that same era, which does not mickey-mouse and is highly original. Tiomkin's The Thing From Another World? Williams' Images?

Not every score has to be groundbreaking to be a great score, and I'm not saying that it does. I love many scores that would be considered standard stuff, but the innovative stuff ain't bad either. In my humble opinion, James Horner provides musical wallpaper, nothing more. Nothing that he has done so far has entered the musical lexicon/language, or has been, or ever will be imitated by other composers (except maybe Chris Young). He is known by the public solely on the strength of the popular movies he has scored.

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Well, if we can include anything - LPs or CDs - I'd have to say my all-time biggest "guilty pleasure" has to be Neal Hefti's BOEING BOEING. It's an old 1965 soundtrack from RCA. If we have to limit it to CDs I'd probably say Vladimir Cosma's LA CHEVRE (The Goat). There' I've gotten those off my chest!
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