I said the market was what????

Douglass Fake · **Joined:** Sat Nov 19, 2005 3:48 pm **Posts:** 2773

People sure do read what they want to see, sometimes. Not always what was actually written, either. People are sending me links to a thread about the demise of soundtracks and quoting me as describing the marketplace as "flooded".

To set the record straight. I can't find the term "flooded" anywhere in my various random columns. I mentioned recently that there was a lot of music out lately, more than I could keep up with, and that Jeff was literally piling new CDs on my desk. I didn't think I was presenting this as a sad thing but as a fun thing: what a fantastic time to be collecting movie music. The options are endless and here we come with even more new stuff!

Some of the links say "Doug Fake says this" and "Doug Fake says that" like I'm some kind of omnipotent force in the soundtrack universe. I'm not.

From where I'm sitting, soundtrack collecting gets bigger every day... not smaller. Labels all around are pouring forth goodies by the barrel. That's a sign of health, my friends, not gloom and doom. Studios cooperate with fans, more vaults open up, elements are discovered, brand new scores get written... there's a veritable treasure trove of exciting projects now becoming possible. And as we dig deeper, more stuff becomes available. It's a great world for me that I can own a label and feel like the opportunities ahead have few limits. If there are frustrations, it's with knowing that there are many wonderful friends in the soundtrack community who simply can't afford all this sensational music now coming out. We're I really omnipotent, I'd reduce the restoration costs, mixing and editing costs, printing and manufacturing costs, advances, royalties, mechanical license fees, AFM fees and whatever else goes into making this music available... just so we could sell new CDs for a quarter. But, alas, I'm not and I can't.

At Intrada, we're having a wonderful time digging in the vaults, opening new doors such as with Disney and Universal, making things possible today that weren't yesterday, pouring over various old scores that we'd love to re-record with today's technologies and so forth.

Intrada's been here for almost 30 years and we've never been stronger. It started with just me. Now I've got an entire crew. And we're still challenged to keep up with the work. Somewhere along the line I went from a solitary collector/hobbyist to actually being an employer. Besides doing my part to help our economy I'm having the thrill of a lifetime making wonderful music available to people. Rewind back to just this last summer. How bad can it be for me if Disney asks my label to release the soundtrack to a little summer picture they have coming up called The Avengers?

I, of course, can't speak for all the other soundtrack labels but judging by their cranked up release slates, things appear healthy.

But - bottom line (so to speak) - it's all about making movie music available to you. As much of it as we can muster for as long as we can muster. It's why we tweaked our business model... so people will have a more time to buy items that are necessarily limited either by contract or costs while also feeding a collector's market when the given interest falls. Some people are into it for the music, others for the thrill of the chase. Well, something like that, anyway. But it's the closest to a win-win scenario we can manage right now for our audience. To be honest, I'm not sure how some people can equate this with a demise of the soundtrack or the limited edition or whatever but... well, if some people think we're that influential around here, I'll take it as a compliment.

Our goal for nearly three decades has been about making music. It still is. What started out as a hobby became a profitable business. And we still hold ourselves to the same core premise we started off with: if we can afford to make it available, we'll make it available. If project A makes money and project B tanks, we'll use the profits from project A to finance project C. So far we're making more A's than B's... so, sure 'nuff, we'll keep on making C's.

I wouldn't have it any other way.
--Doug

T. Newman Fan · **Posted:** Wed Nov 21, 2012 8:13 pm

tharpdevenport · **Posted:** Wed Nov 21, 2012 8:59 pm

It's amazing right, you can say something, even very, very clearly, and people will start telling you you said otherwsie. Then you link to and/or copy & paste your exact words, showing you never said what they are claiming, and they STILL can't get it right for the life of them.

I have another quote for them:

"Here's your sign!"

Terry Cloth · **Posted:** Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:20 pm

"Labels all around are pouring forth goodies by the barrel. "

Then Doug, could you PLEASE explain to us WHY NO ONE has released a COMPLETE OBSESSION? It DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE why NO LABEL has released this!! It's HERRMANN... it's from a DEPALMA FILM..... The score is a MASTERPIECE!!! PLEASE explain it for us!! I'm beggin' ya!!!
Thanks!

tharpdevenport · **Posted:** Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:29 pm

Because you did not say the magic word.

:wink:

Terry Cloth · **Posted:** Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:14 pm

Well... I said "please" like a hunnerd times! If there's another "magic word", please let me know what it is, and I'll say it a gajillion times! :lol:

tharpdevenport · **Posted:** Thu Nov 22, 2012 12:12 am

No, no -- you said "please explain" twice. Not, "Please release". :mrgreen:

Also, according to Garfield, the other magic word is "Gimmie!".

orbital · **Posted:** Thu Nov 22, 2012 2:46 am

I guess one just has to accept the fact that there are people outside of the business out there who know more than the people on the inside.

At least that's what the former think apparently ... :oops:

tharpdevenport · **Posted:** Thu Nov 22, 2012 3:05 am

I think this is [i]new[/] territory, and the labels are feeling it out as they go.

We have about a dozen prominent specialty labels, some making new releases every two weeks, and half of them releasing popular titles, and we also have studios that are giving us access ten years ago were only our fevered nerdy wet dreams, all in one flooded conflux of limited editions, in a market who's primary consumers are in two nations that aren't doing financially very well, with one heading steadily toward hyper inflation.

I suspect, though this is merely guessing, that behind the scenes, some label heads are communicating with each other on release dates so not as to clash in a thunder orgy of wallet-crushing limited edition CD goodness, or steal another's thunder unless it really, really can't be helped. I suspect Crom will be stealing thunder Monday. ;-)

I think in the beginning of this is worked out, but now it's like the martian and Duck Dodgers standing on the crumb of a planet shoving each other saying, "This niche market isn't big enough for the two of us!". Well, maybe not that far. At least until the Illudium Q-36 Space Modulator gets invented, then all bets are off.

If FSM hadn't been around and was just now thinking about starting up, Lukas might take one look at the oversaturated market and economic circumstances, and do something else.

T. Newman Fan · **Posted:** Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:59 am

The most important thing is that a lot of good music is being rescued and well-preserved using technology and experience that far surpasses what existed decades ago.

When the specialty labels have finished doing their magic, it is up to the studios and large music companies (as well as Varese in some cases) to decide how to package this music for future listeners.

Curious_Goods · **Posted:** Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:53 am

If it's not the 'demise of CDs' it's the 'flooded market'; Mr. Fake, don't pay attention to the tin foil hat people.

OneBuckFilms · **Joined:** Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:03 am **Posts:** 303

All I can say is: Thanks for the music, and glad things are still going strong.

Roger Feigelson · **Joined:** Sat Nov 19, 2005 3:47 pm **Posts:** 3415

People who think this market are flooded should be glad they don't collect classical music...with something like 100 albums coming out a month. Flip through the latest issue of Fanfare magazine and look at all the albums coming out...

Douglass Fake · **Joined:** Sat Nov 19, 2005 3:48 pm **Posts:** 2773

Yeah, it's a busy time. But, really, I wouldn't have it any other way. No kidding. I'm getting a chance to own oodles of stuff now that I never thought would be possible. Even if I can't afford it all I'm thrilled to know it's becoming available for people to enjoy. Not just on our label here, either. I speak of also being able to buy such new and diverse goodies as The Red Pony and The Rains Of Ranchipur and The Four Poster and The Last Man On Earth and all of the original Star Trek scores and all of Die Hard 2 and on and on, to say nothing of new John Williams music, new James Bond music... I can't even think of 'em all right now.

Admittedly, our two new releases for this coming week are getting lots of play time at my house right now. But Lincoln and The Red Pony get plenty of listening right now, too!
--Doug

OneBuckFilms · **Joined:** Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:03 am **Posts:** 303

Personally, I think now is perhaps the best time to be a soundtrack fan.

For the last few years, I've seen countless holy grails of various sorts coming out.

We have 8 out of the original 10 Star Trek scores complete, with the last two almost certain to be released soon.

We have Hook, Home Alone, The Shadow, Complete Battlestar Galactica TOS, Back to the Future, and others that were unthinkable even 5 years ago.

We have the complete Star Trek TOS. Everything !!! Including material we've never heard before.

We have Conan the Barbarian complete on it's way.

We have Elfman's Batman, Batman Returns and Planet of the Apes in complete, remastered form.

Young Guns II, complete First Blood, and countless others.

This is amazing to me. They are all fantastic releases. And more to come for us all to choose from.

The last thing anyone needs to complain about is being spoiled for choice.

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