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 Post subject: Re: INTRADA Announces Joel McNeely's SQUANTO: A WARRIOR'S TA
PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:41 am 
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Question for Roger & Doug :

Have you credited the various native american instruments in the booklet ? Do you know the exact name of the flutes that McNeely used on this score ? I have a passion for ethnic flutes and I love it when they are credited like in the James Horner's albums (kena, shakuhachi, panpipes, etc).


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 Post subject: Re: INTRADA Announces Joel McNeely's SQUANTO: A WARRIOR'S TA
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SQUANTO at last ! Ordered as soon as it appeared on the website hours ago.

Thank you guys, you're the best !

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 Post subject: Re: INTRADA Announces Joel McNeely's SQUANTO: A WARRIOR'S TA
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Hi, Anakin. As far as I know (and I admit, of course, that I don't know everything), there's no name in common usage as distinctive as "Shakuhachi," etc. to describe Native American style flutes; they tend to simply be referred to as "Native American style flutes!" Such flutes are typically wooden, and may use pentatonic tuning. You'll occasionally run across descriptors like "plains flute," or references to a particular tribe, and these might sometimes indicate subtle differences of construction. But in this case, I didn't have evidence of anything so specific.


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 Post subject: Re: INTRADA Announces Joel McNeely's SQUANTO: A WARRIOR'S TA
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Thank you John ! What you're saying is already priceless.

I'm more used to the south "amerindian" flutes (thanks to Tony Hinnigan and James Horner) because I play the quena and the quenacho myself. I believe north "amerindian" flutes are very close to the quenas of the south, with a soft, windy and warm sound, but I do hear a difference from one flute to another, without being able to name them.

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native north american flute

I'm always surprised the north flutes are not credited in any film score that involves a native american sound, but the big variety of the tribes and their flutes must be the reason why we englobe them in the "plains flute" or "native flute" naming.

Great topic anyway ! :D


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 Post subject: Re: INTRADA Announces Joel McNeely's SQUANTO: A WARRIOR'S TA
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I miss the ISC logo too. It was just part of the series and now, it seems incomplete and not that special :(


Personally I'm glad it's missing, it makes the cover look much better (for the admittedly short time I see it before the cd is ripped, the booklet is read and it ends up in a drawer). Why not leave the ISC stuff for the side and rear?


Because it was started that way and continuity and layout had been established in the beginning. When it is gone, it no longer fits within the series it is supposed to belong to. It is just incomplete without that.

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 Post subject: Re: INTRADA Announces Joel McNeely's SQUANTO: A WARRIOR'S TA
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Not seen the film, but the samples are amazing. Chalk up another purchase!


Lokutus wrote:
I miss the ISC logo too. It was just part of the series and now, it seems incomplete and not that special :(


Ditto. Bring it back, Intrada chaps! It always felt like part of your identity. You saw that logo & knew you were getting something amazing.


It'll be back, starting with our next releases. It was just an experiment in something new. But like New Coke...consider it history.


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 Post subject: Re: INTRADA Announces Joel McNeely's SQUANTO: A WARRIOR'S TA
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Neat, so DEJA VU & SQUANTO are the Crystal Pepsi of Intrada albums! Got 'em both!

Fun trick, try running THAT product by a youngster and enjoy the look of 'huh?' you get -
it's great fun, try it sometime!


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 Post subject: Re: INTRADA Announces Joel McNeely's SQUANTO: A WARRIOR'S TA
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Neat, so DEJA VU & SQUANTO are the Crystal Pepsi of Intrada albums! Got 'em both!

Fun trick, try running THAT product by a youngster and enjoy the look of 'huh?' you get -
it's great fun, try it sometime!

I'm also a sucker for collectibles like this. It certainly helps that the score albums released with the new cover design are all top notch compositions.

And at least the new design was tastefully executed, unlike Crystal Pepsi. :)


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 Post subject: Re: INTRADA Announces Joel McNeely's SQUANTO: A WARRIOR'S TA
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T. Newman Fan wrote:
GoblinScore wrote:
Neat, so DEJA VU & SQUANTO are the Crystal Pepsi of Intrada albums! Got 'em both!

Fun trick, try running THAT product by a youngster and enjoy the look of 'huh?' you get -
it's great fun, try it sometime!

I'm also a sucker for collectibles like this. It certainly helps that the score albums released with the new cover design are all top notch compositions.

And at least the new design was tastefully executed, unlike Crystal Pepsi. :)


Yes, I miss the logo, too. I'm glad it's coming back. :)


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 Post subject: Re: INTRADA Announces Joel McNeely's SQUANTO: A WARRIOR'S TA
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+1 from me on bringing the logo back. Glad to hear that my favorite label's classic styling will return!

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ordered at once, what beautiful samples! that melodies is whats missing these days in filmmusic ! thanks to intrada, disney and mr mcneely !

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 Post subject: Re: INTRADA Announces Joel McNeely's SQUANTO: A WARRIOR'S TA
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ALways great to see more McNeely released and this one sounds great. (Never caught up with the film.) Thanks, Doug, Roger, et al for another welcome release. Wish McNeely got much more work these days. As I mentioned at the FSM board, head over to McNeely's website and listen to his music from TINKER BELL AND THE LOST TREASURE. Honest, it's wonderful stuff.


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John Takis wrote:
Hi, Anakin. As far as I know (and I admit, of course, that I don't know everything), there's no name in common usage as distinctive as "Shakuhachi," etc. to describe Native American style flutes; they tend to simply be referred to as "Native American style flutes!" Such flutes are typically wooden, and may use pentatonic tuning. You'll occasionally run across descriptors like "plains flute," or references to a particular tribe, and these might sometimes indicate subtle differences of construction. But in this case, I didn't have evidence of anything so specific.


Nice response, John. It's not easy to pinpoint all of the "ethnic" woodwinds that show up from time to time, especially when composers (in this case, McNeely) identify in their scores "wooden flute" and make further decisions on the podium after an array of instruments are brought to the sessions. Some of them aren't even pentatonic but far less accurately carved. This also happens frequently with percussion.

In any case, the union paperwork identified only the flute players, not any specific flute they may have used... which, of course, means the ethnic instrument very possibly was handled by one of the regular session players.
--Doug


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 Post subject: Re: INTRADA Announces Joel McNeely's SQUANTO: A WARRIOR'S TA
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+1 from me on bringing the logo back. Glad to hear that my favorite label's classic styling will return!



Most definitely. I, also, missed the ISC logo and am very pleased to hear it will return.

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 Post subject: Re: INTRADA Announces Joel McNeely's SQUANTO: A WARRIOR'S TA
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As a Disney fan, I made a point of grabbing this one! :D

Known in the U.K. as: THE LAST GREAT WARRIOR,
it's actually a pretty rare film here - what with it being a straight-to-video release, and never having had a U.K. DVD release

McNeely is a very good Disney composer,
and hopefully his TINKER BELL scores will eventually be released :wink:

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