Intrada Soundtrack Forum

Thanks for bringing this to CD after all these years. Love the inclusion of the "Jogger's Stakeout" track, some of my favorite music from the film. I was just curious to know the reasoning why Kitaro's Seiun and Freeze by Klaus Shulze were not included. I'm assuming it probably has to do with licensing costs but I wanted to be sure that was the reasoning and it wasn't a gross oversight since they did not appear on the original MCA album either.

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Yes, it would have definitely been better if he hadn't used the phrase "gross oversight" (I wouldn't have) and it also would have definitely been better if you had gotten a hold on your emotions and read his post a bit more carefully to see that he was not assuming any oversight.

Now look at his response to your "witch hunt" remark, *omitting* the first sentence which riled you up further: "I'm not out to burn anyone with a stake, nor do I have an axe to grind, I'm just understandably curious because they are two of the most memorable pieces of music from the film and none of the official albums have included them so I have always assumed it was licensing issues. I'd just like to know why? It's still an incredible album and I am thankful for the effort that was put forth into making it happen."

Again with the thanks, again with the licensing issues assumption (which you did not take the opportunity to confirm), he even calls it an incredible album. He's not a troll, and he's not a nitpicker, he was just curious, and unfortunately I think it's clear Roger that you overreacted (probably because you've felt a bit beset lately by the aforementioned trolls and nitpickers).

Once again, it was not a witch hunt just because he "wanted to be sure that [it was licensing costs has he assumed] and it wasn't a gross oversight" -- take the word "gross" out and you can probably even stomach his inquiry if you read it again. But when you got all upset about it he went and assumed it was an oversight because of how defensive you got (which is what someone would be more likely to do if they had made a mistake rather than a decision). Now I don't think you made a mistake, and I suspect you didn't even have a practical option to include the music he's talking about, but it does come across that way a bit, just as his initial post came across as a witch hunt to you because of one badly placed word. As I said, these miscommunications crop up and as the professional in this instance I think it's your job to be the bigger man and clear them up, not angrily threaten to ban the guy over such a trivial thing!

But I'm done with this thread because I haven't seen the film Manhunter (maybe some day) nor have I much interest in the score (aside from reading all the entertaining threads about it). I only jumped in initially to defend *you*, Roger, because I don't want this guy to hold anything against Intrada, a company I've happy supported for many years now, as a result of your (uncharacteristically) crabby response.

I'll just go back to my primarily lurker existence here now.

Yavar

Okay; let me first say, I love this label, always have and always will. Roger, Doug and the gang have done incredible things for the world of film music. That will never be denied. Intrada has brought me a lot of happiness through the years, and since joining the boards, I've had fun, too. I purchase a lot of CDs here, and I always try to stay positive in interpreting people's opinions. However -- and I mean this in the most helpful and honest way possible -- Roger, your response really did come off as -- well, very uninviting (and perhaps accidental due to your reasonable frustrations, as it was referenced to earlier); it was uninviting to even the readers uninvolved in the topic at hand. You are, indeed, the professional, marketing director here, and even if the guy implied what you thought he did, I'm sure it could have been handled better than that -- even privately. I know the message boards have been on fire lately due to some "trolls," as people say, but some of us still come here for positive reinforcement about how vital the music is and how enjoyable these CDs can be, and threads like this just really disappoint me as a customer and as a fan, and I'm afraid it's going to serve as a reason to point people toward a new direction. I hate that, too, since I want to keep coming here, and really enjoy the (usual) comfortable atmosphere that isn't found at a place like FSM. But, between Doug's understandable frustrations lately, and certainly things like this, it's really starting to fall apart for the people who share Intrada's legacy and/or reputation as an enthusiastic label. It really has a negative vibe right now, and maybe that is some of the fans faults, maybe it isn't. No less, I want to know that these labels can still move forward with what they think is best. They are the producers, after all. The public negativity does nothing good for either party, though. Sorry, if I've shaken anyone into further anguish. It was not my intent.