Intrada Soundtrack Forum

I have to side with Nick here, based on what's been posted.

One could say there was no need to make the "choice remarks" statement and that everybody is entitled to their own opinion, unless of course there was some kind of humor in it, like at FSM when a member says they don't like Goldsmith (which I've seen before), but baase dupon the breif past history mentioned here, I can't infer that.

But then that takes us down the path of, are we not allowed to voice our opinion if one of more members or a moderator, disagrees with it? Some people have remarkbly closed minds on certain things or people.

So that leaves me with only one logical conclusion, based on the past history which implies some kind of animosity, it would have been best to not make the comment at all and stir things up. I mean, I and other members could get in a world of permament by dredging up passed comments either here or at other boards.


Now, don't mistake me, if I had to list who I think are the top ten composers in film/TV scoring of ALL HISTORY, Jerry makes the cut. No other composer in my collection equels his in quantity owned. Some of the most moving music I know, is by him. But I can respect him for having that difference in opinion. I mean, clearly we'll have to take him out back and flog himand then tar 'n' feather him for it, but we can respect him.


I don't know what it is. Maybe he's just not listened to the good nes by the two composers and been lead astray by people who skip the better scores and say things like "Star Trek :Nemesis" is one of Jerry's best scores, and "Heartbeeps" is one of Williams' best scores, and missed classics like "Rudy" and "The Last Crusade". Maybe he truly does have very different taste and the composers do nothing for him.

Nick, is you had to make a short list, who would you say are your favorites? And best scores, respectively?

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RM and Nick, I know Conti isn't as popular as Goldsmith or Williams, but so what, he's my favorite nonetheless. It doesn't matter what someone else thinks about your favorite composer, just what you think about the composer. Anyway, that's my two cents.

I look at it like this: I don't really have any one composer I dislike. Sure, I may side with a few in terms of whom I rather collect, but in the end, all these guys do much more than I am capable of doing--making music and making their living doing something they enjoy. Good for them.

So what if somebody doesn't respond to the music of Dave Grusin, or Jerry Goldsmith, or John Williams, or Ennio Morricone, or Miklos Rozsa, or Hans Zimmer. Big deal. Preferences vary. I don't mind if somebody doesn't respond to Jerry Goldsmith's music, it suffices for me that enough people do so that his music gets released.

I spend too much time loving my composers to have composers I dislike...
But I must say, Ennio Morricone is very much under-represented in my collection (only The Mission & Red Sonja).

Most people here may agree, the Michael Wetherwax score for the Lou Ferrigno film "Cage" is the most god awful casio keyboard, tin can emulation of Jay Chattaway any made for TV hack could scheme.

It's so bad K-Tel released it.

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I suppose eventually someone will come along and list Aaron Copeland as one of their least favorite composers or swear James Newton Howard's King Kong score is better than Max Steiner's or say Tom Scott should never have scored any films (I think I already said that), or Brad Fiedel should have stopped after The Terminator, I think he should have stopped after Terminator II.

Neil Hefti caught some flack for his stuff years ago and someone accused Oliver Nelson of selling out. Hell, I've always despised 70's rock but in comparison to some of the recent pop culture junk that seems to be geared towards women with the mentality of 9 year of girls some of the 70's crap is brilliant.

To this day I don't care for any of John Williams' Star Wars scores but Earthquake is a favorite.

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It certainly seems that it could be On Golden Pond. I suppose its history with ITC could have been a nuisance and the MCA album (which was padded with dialogue/effects and thus calls for an additional presentation of just the music) adds another layer, but who knows other than the people mired in this sometimes complicated stuff.

This is why I rarely dip my toe in negative threads like this. There are lot's of composers I'm just not into but I realize that SOMEONE may have love for their work, and I don't begrudge them that. That's why there are "33 Different Flavors."

(It's probably also reasonable to assume that people brought up on current scoring trends are going to evidence some pretty whack feelings about composers who can actually write music--Geez, I'm starting to sound like Page Cook!)

If Whole Foods supposedly caters to the health conscious why are Justin Beiber CD's being sold at the checkout line?

This is a good thread, I believe critisism and personal opinion is still a good thing. Personally I don't care who dislikes what I like and don't expect anyone to like what I like.

I can't listen to James Horner, have always been bored everytime. And it's not because I'm too dumb to appreciate what I'm hearing as someone might claim in order to solidify some opinion of theirs.

Personally I don't like composers who pander to the whims of others. Someone will say filmmaking is a group effort and Bernard Herrmann was a problem not an asset. As a matter of fact some guy said more or less that on another forum. I don't like him, he's a prick with an overinflated sense of self worth. Filmmaking is a group effort alright but not to the point of selling yourself short to every chump who thinks he's a step higher up the ladder. There comes a point when a person needs to be protective of his own self identity.

As for Bernard Herrmann, I've come across people online who are obsessed with him, trying to figure him out, trying to apply some sort of psychosis, poking their noses around like gossipy old women instead of just appreciating what he offered of himself and leaving it at that.

The recent film based upon Alfred Hitchcock during filming of The Birds, haven't seen it but don't like what I've read. His job was to get the best performance out of his cattle, tormenting Tippi Hedren was part of the job. Don't try to apply current political correctness to one of the greatest filmmakers in history 33 years after his death. Especially when he's not around to speak in defense of himself.

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